Happy Mom's Day to all you mom's out there. Hope you are having a nice relaxivating day with your kids. All my kids are still asleep still - so my day is relaxing so far, lol. Royce got up this morning and gave me a present. I told him, "You don't need to get me anything, I'm not YOUR mother," and he said, yes tis true, but I am the mother of his kids, so he wanted to get me something. He presented me with my favorite little chocolates (Lindor Truffles), which I'm sure I'm only going to get like 3 of them before the day is over, and he gave me a rose crystal, which I absolutely love. He said it transmits unconditional love, like we have for our children. It is beautiful, and I love it. In actuality, I'm probably going to clean the house some today - I actually want to do this, one of my only days off, maybe cook some, go for a walk with the kids, and maybe watch a movie with them. I also have to help Sydney write a paper/speech that is due Wednesday, on the 1930's. So that will probably pretty much be my Mother's Day. I know some people will have a hard time understanding this, but it is a perfect day for me.
For the last couple of years I have totally distanced myself from my mother. Last Mother's day I didn't even speak to her, much less get her anything. Yesterday I bought her a pretty plant with pink flowers and a balloon that I'm sure the kids will love. I'm going to give them to her today. Things are getting better. Baby steps.
Once again, not going to waste a lot of time here, but gotta say something. Your whole St. Peter at the gate thing, puleeeeeze. Your whole rant has absolutely no validity, because for one thing you don't even know YOUR bible. According to YOUR bible, and contrary to popular belief, when you die you are dead in the ground, not wisted off to the Pearly gates - Ecclesiastes 9:5 (King James Version)
"For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten."
And left in the ground until the second coming of Jesus.
Know your Bible before you start preaching about it. Anything you have to say about the bible or god to me at this point is a completely non-valid viewpoint, cause you don't even know the bible yourself - obviously. Apparently I know it better than you and I don't even believe it. Kinda pathetic.
Second, even if the bible were true, the Christian religion would not be an accurate religion to belong to. More texts, sorry -
Matthew 7:16
"Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?"
Matthew 7:20
"Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
The "fruits" I have seen from christians are hateful, unkind, and dishonest. This completely removes any validity of the christian religion. Their fruits are bad. That is if you believe the bible in the first place.
Lastly:
Romans 14:13 (King James Version)
"Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way."
I think you could call Karl's behavior, his telling me how much he wanted to fuck me - behind his wife's back, the 15 page article he sent me on "Deep Throat" dick sucking - behind his wife's back, his telling me how he wanted to kiss me all over after my car accident - behind his wife's back, his telling me how he wishes his wife would be like me in bed - yeah all of those things and more - and then preaching to me and as my Friend in Christ holding me accountable for my sexual sins - yeah, might be considered a stumbling block. Maybe you should be more worried about his salvation than about mine. Here's his email: keleukert@yahoo.com
It sucks when the pagan girl knows your bible better than you, doesn't it?
Its YOUR Hell, YOU burn in it.
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On a much nicer note, I went to Vision Quest yesterday. I bought two books on Tarot, a journal to start recording all the readings I do for people, and a deck of Wiccan cards. I was disappointed in the Wiccan cards, I thought they were actual Tarot cards, but they were something else. But they are still pretty cool. I saw a huge encyclopedia, 2 volumes, on Tarot, $30 bucks a piece. Another paycheck. I want to learn everything I can. And I'm getting better at it. I did a reading for a co-worker at the Brass Rail the other day. I didn't even mean to meet her there, but I went by myself, and she just happened to be there after work. After sitting drinking with her for a little while, she asked me if I would do a reading there. Its funny, how people are. She shuffled the cards, asked the question, and I spread them out on the table we were at. We were bothering no one, minding our own business, having a private conversation. The waitress, who always waits on me, and is really nice - asked us what we were playing. Then realized they were Tarot cards, got this weird look on her face, and never came back to our table. Not to ask us if we needed anything, not to give us our check. She completely ignored us after that. For at least an hour. I finally had to go up to the bar and ask for our check. My friend with me couldn't believe that she was acting like that, because of the cards. I told her I'm used to it. I paid for her bill and mine, and left a nice tip. I just wanted to leave. It was a good reading though. Very on, very accurate.
Happy Mother's Day everyone. Gonna go to Sprouts and get stuff to make something yummy.
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Happy Mothers day.
In all honesty I have to say this is one of my very favorite blogs! Very few persons that are not followers of Jesus quote this much Scripture. Also very few persons that are not followers of Jesus are so open and receptive to these kinds of conversations. Thank you for being such an open person, you should be commended, I mean this with genuine sincerity.
I would like to take this opportunity to address the issues you address to “anonymous” in this article. Please note I am not preaching at you, I am attempting respectful dialogue with you. I am interested in your point of view, which you presented and now I am attempting to do likewise.
While you are correct in your assessment of St. Peter (that he will not be at the “Pearly Gates) your statement about believers being left in the ground till the Second coming is not Biblically supportable. While the body is indeed in the ground the soul goes directly into the presence of God.
The book of Ecclesiastes is wonderfully packed with a plethora of acerbic wit, and declarations of the futility of a life apart from God which is used to create momentum towards displaying at the end of the book the logical conclusion, everything is setup for that moment. Ecclesiastes is wisdom literature, and must be read within this context; it is a painful autobiography of King Solomon, who often bemoans his shortcomings and the squandering of opportunities and human frailties. The portion that you quote is written from the perspective of an unbeliever that has chosen to not have a genuine relationship with the Creator; it lacks hope, and is negative in scope. In fact this is how the end of life is seen by many atheists (I have personally witnessed this). The final portion of the book makes matters clear (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 NLT):
13 That’s the whole story. Here now is my final conclusion: Fear God and obey his commands, for this is everyone’s duty. 14 God will judge us for everything we do, including every secret thing, whether good or bad.
To further examine the topic of what happens to a genuine follower of Jesus I submit some portions of Scripture that directly interact with this (I have included surrounding verses to help provide context, I perceive that using Scripture on this blog is acceptable since it has repeatedly been used in the posted articles, if this is incorrect I humbly apologies). Please note that the persons involved in these texts are genuine followers of Jesus.
2 Corinthians 5:6-8 (NIV) says:
6Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7We live by faith, not by sight. 8We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
“Home in the body we are away from the Lord”. Absent from the body present with the Lord.
In Philippians 1:20-26 (NIV) we are told:
20I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. 21For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. 22If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! 23I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; 24but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. 25Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, 26so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.
When a believer dies their body does stay in the ground but their soul goes directly into the presence of Jesus “I desire to depart and be with Christ”.
There are other Scriptures to support this position but these should be more than sufficient for this dialogue. Plus my intention is not to create a scholarly work, or preach at you, but to address genuine concerns about an interesting matter, in the form of dialogue. Thank you for this opportunity.
Livingsword,
I'm glad you enjoy my blog. All dialogue is always welcome, all conversation is good. Even anonymous is welcome. If he pisses me off I will respond in kind, or simply ignore him when he starts boring me. But I will never tell anyone to leave. You never come across as preaching. Your comments are always welcome, always intelligent, and I like hearing from you. I, unlike most christians I know, am not repelled by talking or being friends with people who believe completely different than me. And those conversations - calm, intelligent conversations - between opposing beliefs are some of the best. Your views on the state of the dead let me know that you are not an Adventist. That in itself is refreshing. The state of the dead is one of the distinguishing beliefs of the seventh-day adventist church, which if you can't tell by now, I was raised in. When talking with people in other religions, there was always a big debate about it. Even when I did believe I didn't think it was important. Not WHEN you got to heaven, at death or at the second coming, but that you GOT there. The rest was just semantics to me. Which I never thought were important, but it seems devout church members pride themselves on semantics. Whatever. Thats one of those things I don't have to deal with anymore. None of this really matters to me anymore, cause I have changed my beliefs, but I guess anonymous struck a nerve with me and I felt defending myself with his weapon was the best way to go.
Scripture is always ok to quote. The bible is a great work. But to me it is fiction. But I do know it very well. I am certainly not opposed to it. (Its the only category I get when I watch Jeopardy, lol).
I honestly don't know what I believe regarding the dead - if there is life after death or not. I became a little fascinated with the idea, and still am a little, after my dad died this last September. I know in my heart that if heaven exists, he will be there. I wish I could believe it - that would mean he will live again, or is living (according to your view). And I also know, that if something else is true, that if there is any way possible that I can contact him or talk to him now, that I would do it in a heart beat - bad majic or not. And I'm not into the bad kind. But its my dad, and I would give anything to talk to him again.
Happy Mother's day to you too.
HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY to you!! Hope you had a great one. Mine was nice. :o)
I received many 'Anonymous' comments on my blog- mostly from people bent on defending the church. Yeah, takes a lot of courage to post "anonymously". I simply delete them now- and don't give them a voice.
Christians should be among the nicest, most ethical people in the world and I've met some real jewels in my lifetime- people who would give the shirt off their backs and take you in. However, being called a Christian is not enough. In my current situation, I can tell a difference between those who REALLY are Christian and those who are not. It's the posers who give Christianity a bad name. They are all self-important and on a mission to share the same hollow experience that they themeselves have. Jesus said it this way, "You go great distances to win a convert, but because you don't have a real experience with God, you only make them twice the sons of hell that you are".
Sadly, I'd be willing to wager that about 12% of those in Christianity actually have a genuine relationship with God and act like it. (That's about the percentage of people who have truly reached out in tangible ways to me & my family after we lost everything.)
Why? Because I think many in the church are angry with me for saying it like it is. They care more about protecting the reputation of their precious church than in helping my family. My being real is bad publicity for the "remnant" and they detest me for it.
I've come to understand that nobody is perfect. Even the most sincere Christians make mistakes because we're all human. However, a mistake should be acknowledged in honesty and humility and a sincere apology should follow. Once this has been done, we can forgive and let go...
I understand your anger. Anger is an important element of the grieving cycle. We can surpress it for the sake of being 'nice'. But it often comes out in strange ways. Maybe you are not actually as angry with this guy "Karl", as you are with a system that let you down when you needed them most? There is no worse offense to humanity than self-righteousness or indifference.
We shouldn't fear angry- God Himself gets angry, but we also reach a point when it's time to release it into the atmosphere where it's venom will not hurt us or anyone else.
Rant, cry, scream- there's a time for that. Then breathe, forgive and heal... but always keep it real.
(Okay, I didn't mean for that to rhyme, but it did.)
Okay, Secret Rapture - you are just weird. I remember learning about people like you in my psych class. Honestly, I just don't have time to read your flight of ideas. There is a thing called Librium you should check out.
And Trailady, I am angry at the system, but I am genuinely angry at Karl. Very angry. He was my friend, told me he loved me unconditionally, as a friend, as a christian - and then totally betrayed me and left me when I needed him the most. I am angry at him. Just another brick in the wall, so to speak, - but a very big brick. Reading his words, his blog, reading his wife's blog, how devoted to him she is- and knowing what he is really like, whenever I see her talk about how great he is, or read his "spiritual" words, all I really hear are the words he used to say to me - right after the "spiritual" ones, like god is the way, jesus is the only way - and then gee, I'd really like to fuck you, and no my wife doesn't know about you or how I feel - and then jesus is the way Barb, just believe. Actually, it just kinda makes me wanna be sick. So yes, I am ranting, it is my site - I can, and yes - I really am angry at Karl. I've actually come to like Sharon. Through all of this, she has always claimed to be a chritian, which at the beginning I attacked her for, but I was actually just angry at Karl. She has been nothing but kind and respectful, and loving to me, even after I told her everything and apologized to her. She accepted my apology and still wanted to be friends with me. I guess she is one of those 12 percent you were talking about. I like her, but I feel sorry for her.
You don't need to use quotation marks, it is the Karl you know. I don't expect you to take any sides, i know you guys are friends. But thank you for your words, I know that you understand being angry. I would be angry if I were you too.
Hey Barb,
Thanks for the Congrats.
Yes, I worked my ass off.
I have 2 more classes.
Arggg..
I am trying to stay focused.
Need to spend some time on my relationship and myself.
Each day I will take a step towards a more balanced life.
I saw my loved one, after his tragic death, because I was so longing to. He even communicated with me. When I read what the bible said about the dead..that they know nothing nor have any part in what goes on under the sun. That we "sleep" until the second coming and await our Lord, Jesus. as was with Lazarus. (Lazarus never talked about heaven after Jesus raised him back to life). That God doesn't like us talking to what "appears" to be the dead, like what King Saul did. Which really is a "necromancer". I rebuked what appeared to be my loved one - in the name of Jesus Christ...It was so hard to do, but it vanished straight away. And I have peace, that I will see my loved one, "at the last day" just like Martha(Lazarus's sister), also believed and understood. She said this to Jesus, and he never said she was wrong in her belief of the state of the dead.
Yes, Barbara, I was wrong. Wrong in the things I said to you. Wrong in the time I spent talking with you on the phone and online. Wrong about the things that I said I wanted to do to and with you. Wrong about judging you in any way. Wrong about talking to you about Jesus at all. Wrong about doing things behind my wife's back. Wrong about all of it. I admit it - to everyone on your blog. Even though it caused a very rough time, I've admitted it to my wife. Thank GOD she has forgiven me. And though I don't know how or even if this can happen, Barbara, I am so extremely sorry for hurting you so deeply and treating you the way I did and all I can hope for is that you just accept my apology. Not even that you ever forgive me. Just that you realize that I am sorry. If I could erase it all, know that I would. How I wish to God that that were possible.
Movinman it takes a serious pair of nuts to man up to something like that. Being such a man is rare these days. I know the hurt you've caused, I've felt it as my own because she's my wife. But I have respect for anyone who can appologize unconditionally. That is the defining differance between men and boys in my opinion.
Movinman, by the way, it wasn't what you did with her that hurt her. It was your attitude afterwards. You were her best friend who was trying to get with her, then immediatly judged her for doing what you wanted to do. She lost her friend the day you did that. That is one of the worst kinds of betrayal.
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